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Post by homer on Aug 13, 2007 12:58:29 GMT -6
hey dropping packs is fine by me.... I think the uniformity of the company is the most important thing when it comes to questionable practices.
Hopefully a trip to CHS will shed light on some things...
Riley what happened to the QM issuance reports Tim was going to get?
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Post by Timothy Arnold on Aug 13, 2007 13:11:12 GMT -6
I've yet to ever been told a good reason NOT to drop knapsacks... anywhere, anytime.... knapsacks are the most useless piece of equipment besides an NCO sword, well, and any officer himself.
Oh, and F@#$ QM reports... I've got mine from Ft Campbell... yeah, I payed some hard earned money on my way out of the Army for shit I really wasn't issued, but signed for because there was a Master SGT standing over my shoulder with the vocals of a guitar amp telling me to sign my F@#$ing name before he ripped my balls off through my asshole.
although... it kinda tickled.... Don't ask don't tell, Hooah...
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Post by homer on Aug 13, 2007 13:45:23 GMT -6
hahaha very well then....
My approach was to simply clear by checking the box that I met with QM and initialing without visiting them.... it worked well, and I have some gortex and beautiful fart sack because of it.
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Post by patlandrum on Aug 13, 2007 16:19:37 GMT -6
Tim, Is that going to be Preston's ASSignment for Outpost? I think you guys are going to look good with all blanket rolls etc. I've been after my guys to get frocks for the Company and to date know of about 8 that are having them made specifically for Outpost (although a good reb should have some anyway)
As far as Columbus Depots, that's all the CS cav's deal, not mine or the WIG's. I support you guys, but apparently you and Preston either have an issue that I'll be more than happy to discuss because apparently neither one of you can take a little ball busting. I also remember that day you were shot through the pant leg, I believe it was right around the time your kid was born and you emailed me right after. Odd how we could BS with each other back then.
Homer, Thanks for the compliment, oddly enough I learned to sew with help from my Grandmother and Tim via the freakin internet about 6 years ago. That denim came from a local source and really isn't hard to locate anywhere as long as you match up the right shade.
Pat
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Post by rebel3yank on Aug 13, 2007 18:59:47 GMT -6
Gents, I am very happy you found the pic of the Co. I soldier and I think it's great that you boys are going with frocks and dress hats. Bully for you Boy's. Now about the knapsack question, lets look at it with cool heads and common sense. 1. The Regt. would have all the same items issued in August, as far as accoutrements go, i.e leathers, haversacks, knapsacks,etc. 2. The Regt. went out on Recons. in force. We are taking out the equivelent of a half of a full regiment, which is a pretty good size force. We dont know how long we will be out and if we left our belongings in Nashville would they be there when we returned. We also dont know how the weather would have been and these men I am sure heard the horror stories of the men at Fort Donelson with sleet and snow, etc.. They are also from the North and might not have known southern weather was that much different that time of year. 3. Dropping packs would have been done in the field, usually just before an engagement, hence you wouldnt have your blankets or anything else. This order would have included all troops and would have been given by the Battalion Co. 4. If you would have been told to leave packs in Nashville and told to take just your blankets, groundloth and spare socks, etc then the entire force would have been given that order. Boys I think all of you are awesome, I really want to give an impression of uniformity to the battalion. We are green remember. Here is an idea for you though that you might want to consider. We have a wagon. On Saturday afternoon if given the command to drop packs then roll up your stuff and stow the empty packs in the wagon. It would make us all alike the majority of the time and be one cool scenario for actually dropping packs in the field. Let me know what you think boys. Cheers Terry Sorchy 89th Illinois Battalion Lt. Col.
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Post by Riley Ewen on Aug 13, 2007 21:31:17 GMT -6
I agree with Terry on this one boys... it just doesn't make sense to not at least have the Knapsacks near at hand/on a wagon. Uniformity is the name of the game, I think, and if you don't own a frock a state jacket will suffice. I'm afraid that there are too many federal reenactors that just own a sack coat because it is "all around." But I'd still like to stray away from them. Brett, I will make an appointment and check out the papers at the Chicago History Museum. I don't have a membership anymore but I believe they let people in for free on Mondays so I will take off work within the next few weeks and get my @$$ over there.
Riley Co. A, FROM COOK COUNTY
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Post by Preston Todd on Aug 13, 2007 23:41:52 GMT -6
Here is an idea for you though that you might want to consider. We have a wagon. On Saturday afternoon if given the command to drop packs then roll up your stuff and stow the empty packs in the wagon. It would make us all alike the majority of the time and be one cool scenario for actually dropping packs in the field. Let me know what you think boys. Cheers Terry Sorchy 89th Illinois Battalion Lt. Col. Now THAT is an even better idea! That is a completely fantastic idea and I only wish i'd paid attention enough to know that we would actually have a wagon with us for this event. That's like having 2 experiences in one weekend as far as altering your gear. We have just read soo many accounts of units that were put to "outpost" or similar duties often had to leave their packs behind with the main force to keep the advance unit faster in flight. Basically, they didn't want guys fumbling around trying to pack their packs when the enemy did advance on the position, therefore they could redeploy to the main line with little distraction on their belongings. But this would be an oppurtunity to experience actually unslinging, preparing a roll and tossing the packs into a wagon. So, I say we should let everyone in the company know to bring their knapsacks ........however, be PREPARED to live without it at some point if necessary. I sure don't want to deal with any moaping like soo many other companys had to do at Rich Mountain for those who actually couldn't live without their packs. Truly bizarre. Pat my friend, we are ball busters as well, perhaps when soo many ball busters get together on the internet all the sarcastic tone and synicism cannot be seen or heard. That's my theory. Tim speaks for himself and, much like he is in person, he says some crazy shit. And this is a crazy , bombastic forum by the way, all forms of attitude and comment are allowed, condoned, uncencored.............now i'm just acting like the OTB. KISSES.
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Post by Timothy Arnold on Aug 14, 2007 7:10:15 GMT -6
Yeah, I was just kidding about the CD's, and Pat, you and I will always bust each other's balls.
About putting the knapsacks in the wagons, Someone has already come up with the fact they left them in Nashville, so NO MORE KNAPSACK TALK!!!! The fact was already stated(period)
CO C IS DROPPING PACKS ON THURSDAY. YOU WILL BE AT HOME, OR IN YOUR CAR, THEREFORE LEAVE IT WHEREVER YOU ARE ON THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by patlandrum on Aug 14, 2007 9:29:53 GMT -6
Hey Tim, Sorchy just posted so that seems to be coming from a higher commander.
Pat
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Post by Timothy Arnold on Aug 14, 2007 12:25:04 GMT -6
Terry said it was up to the Co Commanders. ON THE FED SIDE, therefore myself and the 1SG made our decision.
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Post by Riley Ewen on Aug 14, 2007 13:07:57 GMT -6
Tim. Did you see there was a wagon? There is no actual evidence that the knapsacks were left in Nashville. If there is, please produce it, ASAP. I thought that "fact" was a post Stones River writing. Not October 1862.
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Post by Timothy Arnold on Aug 14, 2007 13:38:26 GMT -6
So, Pat and Riley, should we have feathers and brass?
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Post by Riley Ewen on Aug 14, 2007 13:38:50 GMT -6
I am going in a different company. That's besides the point. I don't like to argue, but I will if I feel the need. It sounds like ya'll are being cool for the sake of being cool. I know for one that if I were an enlisted man in such a green regiment I would be holding on to dear life to all my precious values. We're not veterans, we're new. Thus it makes sense to have a bible an overcoat, a scarf, mittens and whatever else you may carry. The Fort Donelson situation would have been known to these men and they would not so easily discard such a valuable item as an overcoat or even a knapsack unless ordered by a battalion or regimental commander to do so. This is the end of October in 1862, we are fresh, green, and will remain mostly green until AFTER Stones River. We're not veterans, and it's cold outside. Think with some common sense.
While you're at it, you might as well bring a truck to pull a mini cannon around in just so you can have more firepower. Let's not worry about valid documentation, that's entirely useless! Because you are the Hardcase Boys and you do what you want.
I seem to recall a certain number (I think maybe thousands) of stories of FRESH soldiers that are GREEN having TOO MUCH STUFF. I think the Wagon option is valid because the realization might come to an officer such as Terry that we ARE overloaded, because we don't yet understand the horrors of combat or the fatigue of a long summer-time march.
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Post by Riley Ewen on Aug 14, 2007 13:43:24 GMT -6
I see your edit. Good. My post still stands. If you can go with brass and feathers, why not? I would argue the feathers would not remain, but a horn and a co. letter and maybe the eagle on the side would be good. Oh, and I think most everybody should have the hat cords, if they can afford it.
I understand attending with a modified hat or an unadorned hat, because not everybody has two Dress hats or one they'd like to mess with. I also understand bringing a blanket roll if the bearer does not own a knapsack. We want to be authentic, but we also have to be realistic towards our expenses, etc.
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Post by Preston Todd on Aug 14, 2007 13:52:22 GMT -6
Riley, sent you PM.
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